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V1.2 2006/08/05 22:57:10

`Dvorak vs. Qwerty' is a keyboard usage meter. It measures how many centimeters you have to move your fingers from the default touch typing positions to type certain piece of text. Hopefully this tool will help people realize that Dvorak keyboard layout is superior to the older Qwerty.

Update 0.2.1: Fixed a problem in the widget file (some users had problems installing the widget) and added some UI functionality.

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I wouldn't mind using this program if it wasn't for the fact that at my job, I CAN'T program the keyboard to DVORAK, it stays QWERTY, so... but cool idea

CSIShadow 作 , # 2009/06/29 8:42:26

I wouldn't mind using this program if it wasn't for the fact that at my job, I CAN'T program the keyboard to DVORAK, it stays QWERTY, so... but cool idea

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CSIShadow 作 , # 2009/06/29 8:41:38

in reality, this tool is more of a sales pitch to convince ppl dvorak is better. not actually "useful" in and of itself. not syaing i dont love it tho =)

i have familiarized wtih dvorak, even tho i was on my qwerty crutches. i am now dedicated to training myself to become proficient with dvorak. ... UNLESS... u could easily change the code to games and such to receive ",aoe" input instead of "wasd" input...

sometimes, you need to use the wasd keys so i am kinda forced to hold on to qwerty and be bilingual... kinda like how i am forced to keep the empirical system around rather than going fully to metric system.

gwho 作 , # 2009/04/04 2:52:22

It would be interesting if you put the following keyboard layout too:

k , u y p w l m f c
o a e i d r n t h s
q . ' ; z x v g b j

It's a layout evolved through a genetic algorithm (that is, a very simple artificial intelligence method). I am curious to see that layout against DVORAK and QWERTY.

For more detaisl, see the link below:

http://www.boingboing.net/2002/07/06/hyperevolved-keyboar.html

that's actually a pretty logical way to find out the best layout. *interesting to note many similiarities between that and the dvorak.

-one tihng i notice is the u is on the top row for the left hand. this way all the vowels are in position w/o having to move like you have to in ordre to type the letter "i" in the dvorak setting...

IS there a program where u can customize your keyboard layout?? now THat would be one helluvah useful program

gwho 作 , # 2009/04/04 2:48:34

As expected from testing this, the Dvörak is no better than the Qwerty keyboard. But that's to be expected, I'm left handed, the Dvörak is designed for wronghanded (righthanded) people; the claims of "superiority" are anecdotal at best, and closer to a myth.

The whole reason for the qwerty keyboard was to slow typists; the machining on first typewriters was so poor that it was necessary.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html

As well, the only major "study" on the alleged "superiority" if the Dvörak layout was done by Dvörak himself, a man who patented the keyboard and was trying to sell it for profit to the US military. (Conflict of interest? What's that?)

The best keyboard is the one that works for you. The Qwerty is superior for lefthanded people: it is not only faster, it enables one-handed typing for righthanded mouse manipulation, something righthanded people *can't* do.

check ur windows and for dvorak key settings, u can toggle between left handed dvorak and right handed dvorak. either way, qwerty is by far way inferior to dvorak in efficiency.

gwho 作 , # 2009/04/04 2:46:05

this is a interesting tool, although how far my fingers move is less important to me then the fact that my wrists hurt much less since converting to dvorak two years ago.

digrizster 作 , # 2008/12/03 16:49:03

Nice. Why not we just move to Dvorak and leave Qwerty. At the start will decrease our typing speed but then back to normal then faster with Dvorak. Like you change the way you use your keyboard from 4 finggers to 10 finggers.

mafatih 作 , # 2008/11/22 5:02:55

Hi!

Very good widget!

It would be interesting if you put the following keyboard layout too:

k , u y p w l m f c
o a e i d r n t h s
q . ' ; z x v g b j

It's a layout evolved through a genetic algorithm (that is, a very simple artificial intelligence method). I am curious to see that layout against DVORAK and QWERTY.

For more detaisl, see the link below:

http://www.boingboing.net/2002/07/06/hyperevolved-keyboar.html

Best Wishes!

Nosophorus 作 , # 2008/11/05 5:16:57

very useful tool

animamia 作 , # 2008/09/06 11:49:23

thanks

gigipro 作 , # 2008/09/04 14:06:27

In response to Bob Dog: There are several different Dvörak layouts, including a left handed one. There are also 2 layouts designed for people typing with one hand only.

Noting that the distance travelled by your fingers was not the major, or at least the only concideration when designing the keyboard layout - there was also coniderations about making comonly typed combinations like th, sh, ers more natural - for instance with QWERTY when typing fast 'the' is often misspelt 'teh'.

One more note on the so-called battle between dvörak and qwerty, the fact that you have on one hand a keyboard designed for comfort, and on the other one which owes a major part of it's layout to being able to spell "typewriter" on one row should give a hint.

Agouti 作 , # 2008/08/06 4:47:26

daretoeatapeach: "I would like to see a program, widget or otherwise, that would allow one to switch quickly from Dvorak to qwerty quickly within the Windows GUI."

All versions of Windows since Windows 3.1 (I believe) - certainly Windows XP - ALREADY have this! Enable the language bar and you can switch layouts with a mouse click.

Check out http://www.typocheck.co.uk/dvorak/switch.html , for instance.

typocheck 作 , # 2007/09/24 15:22:19

I type in both DVORAK and QWERTY.

Im still on migration period to DVORAK.

Laibcoms 作 , # 2007/09/06 8:09:46

Yes, the QWERTY format usually requires moving the fingers more, except when typing stuff like 1q1q1q1q1q1q1q1q1q1q

UltimateYoshiMaster 作 , # 2007/08/28 22:12:54

Bob Dog: You are off topic, it's about layout - no personal war about you being left- or righthanded.

To be more specific: It's how opera's nice widgets can help it's users do stuff that they care about: save time, less errors, user friendly, etc...

I have used serveral years on a QWERTY keyboard - 11 years, and I have coded lots of keyboard intensive stuff! Programming software for one thing - and it took me 1 month to get up to the same speed as I had on a QWERTY layout, using the Dvorak.

"As expected from testing this"... ? and later you write "As well, the only major "study" on the alleged..." It wastn't just Dr. August Dvorak, he wasn't working alone. All this widget does, is testing the DISTANCE your fingers travel, nothing else. I wrote all the comments in here in that opera widget, and I must say it's not all wrong.

The QWERTY layout wasn't build to SLOW down typists - it was build to stop jam in a typewriter. The result it being unlogical and slow was just a secondary thing - keep in mind what QWERTY was compared to: people was sitting and building pages of small texsts, just like Lego blocks, of cause QWERTY was faster. Even the creator of QWERTY developped a differen

VilleWitt 作 , # 2007/08/07 1:58:51

As expected from testing this, the Dvörak is no better than the Qwerty keyboard. But that's to be expected, I'm left handed, the Dvörak is designed for wronghanded (righthanded) people; the claims of "superiority" are anecdotal at best, and closer to a myth.

The whole reason for the qwerty keyboard was to slow typists; the machining on first typewriters was so poor that it was necessary.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html

As well, the only major "study" on the alleged "superiority" if the Dvörak layout was done by Dvörak himself, a man who patented the keyboard and was trying to sell it for profit to the US military. (Conflict of interest? What's that?)

The best keyboard is the one that works for you. The Qwerty is superior for lefthanded people: it is not only faster, it enables one-handed typing for righthanded mouse manipulation, something righthanded people *can't* do.

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Bob Dog 作 , # 2007/02/23 15:00:01

Hmmm. I wasn't aware there was a debate over using a new system. If there is then I'm willing to jump in with my 2 cents.
The metric system is proof that people don't want to learn anything new. Even when the new is far superior to the old. Superiorty is lacking in this case however. The amount of space one has to move one's fingers is a piss-poor argument for changing the way many of us learned to type over a quarter of a century ago. You might use the same argument to prove an IV tube is better than a fork.
For what it's worth, your widget does exactly what it promises to do. That's more than I can say for many I have downloaded.
Good luck on your crusade against wasted centimeters.

OGRastamon 作 , # 2007/02/14 3:50:19

most of me often used words seem to have shorter finger movements in QWERTY.

xDieStarDiex 作 , # 2007/01/23 4:52:53

This is a pretty interesting widget. I was not quite sure it would all that useful for me to install, since I exclusively use the Dvorak layout at home. I did load it up though, and saw that it measures both, which makes sense. So, using this, I can tell how much I saved by using Dvorak instead of Qwerty. :-)

There are plenty of resources on the Dvorak layout. I happened to stumble upon it a few days before I went down with appendicitis. If one looks around, a recurring theme seems to be that people learn the layout while resting from some sort of injury. That is not a requirement, but interesting.

If you want a quick switch from Qwerty and Dvorak, you can use the keyboard layout selector thing that is already part of Windows. I have used the layout with Linux, FreeBSD, X-Windows, Windows, and Mac OS 9. They are all relatively easy to setup and switch with. Try a search for some Dvorak resources.

One thought for the widget would be a help/tutorial link that could give some URLs for helpful resources to help facilitate switching to Dvorak.

bwyman 作 , # 2006/09/05 0:26:03

Interesting idea. I would like to see a program, widget or otherwise, that would allow one to switch quickly from Dvorak to qwerty quickly within the Windows GUI. Would it be possible to create a widget that makes Opera think you're using Dvorak, so long as the widget is open?

Because for me one of the biggest problems is that I don't want to use Dvorak while doing heavy-duty typing (such as blogging) and it is a pain to switch back and forth. Though the learning curve on Dvorak is faster than Qwerty it still takes a while to master.

Also, if such a widget had a screen of the Dvorak keys so you don't have to switch keyboards.

daretoeatapeach 作 , # 2006/09/04 1:41:59